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I was scribbling furiously on my oversized yellow legal pad in my Wall Street law office. Philosophy, theology and current events were splattered across the page. It was the summer of 2020, New York City was on fire, and for the first time, I was about to speak on the nationally syndicated “Charlie Kirk Show.” Yes — the Charlie Kirk, who by day was setting college campuses ablaze with blistering logic and by night was meeting with leaders of the free world.
Andrew Kolvet — Charlie’s producer and part-time model (not really, but he could be)—called for a pre-show check-in.
“Hey, man. Charlie just wants me to touch base. How big is your New York church again, a few hundred?”
“Yeah… about that,” I flatly lied. The truth was, thanks to COVID lockdowns and the exodus to southern states, Kings’ Church NYC was down to a few dozen people, clinging to survival.
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I’m a pastor and a lawyer—an odd combination, I know. Andrew continued, “OK, cool. Log into Zoom and you’ll be on with Charlie shortly.”
My mind was racing: Don’t forget to say thank you. Don’t forget to mention Erika. Don’t forget to mention Descartes. The monitor flickered, and there was Charlie—sharp, skeptical, intense. I didn’t hesitate. I launched into a torrent of ideas, analysis and anecdotes. In what felt like an instant, it was over.
Then my phone rang. Charlie himself: “That was really great, man, thank you. Can you come travel with me?”
I thought he was just being polite. He wasn’t.
For the next year, I traveled the country with him. The following year, 25 more trips. Our friendship grew until he became one of my closest friends.
Charlie’s initial skepticism wasn’t cruelty — it was calculation. He was a master tactician. I met his wife, Erika, in 2019 when she was a real estate broker in Manhattan — one of the most beautiful, graceful people on the planet.
Charlie Kirk and his wife Erika during the Turning Point USA Inaugural-Eve Ball at the Salamander Hotel on January 19, 2025, in Washington, D.C. (Samuel Corum/Getty Images)
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We once dreamed about starting an urban conservative news company for “the cool kids.” Then she met a boy from Phoenix who swept her away. That summer of 2020, Erika insisted Charlie put me — someone with no reputation, no resources and no platform — on his show.
Charlie wasn’t thrilled. He had plenty of voices lined up. But after Erika’s persistence, he relented, writing “FAVOR FOR ERICKA” in the notes. Hence, the reason why he looked skeptical when I appeared on the screen.
Charile Kirk and his wife, Erika Lane Frantzve and their two children at Christmas time in December 2024. (Charlie Kirk via Facebook)
Yet, when I describe Charlie to people, I say: Imagine the greatest NFL coach of all time. He knows every play. He sees talent, places it where it needs to be and then fights relentlessly for every yard. That was Charlie. He knew every argument, deployed every resource with precision and did it all with mastery.
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But behind the sharp edges was kindness. He connected with ordinary people constantly. A Florida hotel bellman once pulled me aside, glowing after meeting Charlie: “He’s so nice in person.” Another time, a vitamin shop erupted when he walked in. He especially honored older people with humility and weight — something Dennis Prager had instilled in him. He even promised my sons future work (“in the mailroom,” he laughed, “I don’t waste resources”).
On long flights, Charlie peppered me with deep questions about theology, marriage, raising children, Sabbath. He once asked me to work out with him—though I quickly regretted it. At 6-foot-2, 240 pounds, I thought I could keep up. Charlie did three sets for every one of mine. He was strong, brave and genuinely a good man.
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Faith wasn’t a garnish for him — it was central. He prayed at every meal, before every flight and at every board meeting. He wasn’t a nominal Christian; his convictions ran deep. And that hope in Christ — life eternal — set him apart from the hundreds of influencers I met.
A general view of a wreath laid by mourners outside the US Embassy in Pretoria on September 11, 2025 following the fatal shooting of US youth activist and influencer Charlie Kirk while speaking during an event at Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah, United States. (PHILL MAGAKOE/AFP via Getty Images)
Scripture says, “Unless a seed falls to the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.” Charlie’s life and death will yield a harvest of God-fearing young Americans unlike anything this nation has ever seen. His legacy — and the legacy of Turning Point USA — will spread across the globe.
Charlie Kirk is seen in the Fiserv Forum on the third night of the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, Wis., on July 17, 2024. (Tom Williams/CQ-Roll Call, Inc via Getty Images)
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Our Lord, the master tactician, knows every play on the field of humanity. Even in tragedy, He works all things for good for those who love Him. The seed of Charlie’s life will be multiplied into a million Charlie Kirks.
That is the strategy. That is my prayer.
